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Overthrowing Education

New episodes every other Sunday.

Oct 31, 2021

On this episode, Zaynab Baalbaki joins me. She is a passionate educator who is truly working on and supporting others in overthrowing education and creating amazing and equitable learning spaces joins. She talks about an incredible public school, Escuela Verde, where she worked in and I also talk about Qualia: The School for Deeper Learning, another example of education at its best. And we also discuss how more traditional schools and districts can start slowly to incorporate elements of both these and other transformative schools into their learning spaces.

If you know of another  “super cool school” (a reference from today’s commercial parody), please let me know. I love to highlight some of the wonderful work that some schools are doing out there to help inspire everyone with how to make small and large changes. You can send me an email at, or DM me on Twitter @overthrowinged.

Don’t forget to listen to The 5-Minute Game Show at the end of the interview, not only because it’s fun, but also because we drop more good ideas and some cool facts about Wisconsin.

Lastly, astute listeners will notice that the fauxmercial in this episode is related to the one from the previous episode. I had so much fun with Jake Miller from the last episode, I asked him to help me again with the fauxmercial for this episode.

Special thanks to my guest Zaynab Baalbaki, and my terrific voice actors who joined me on today’s fauxmercial, Jake Miller who hosts the Educational Duct Tape podcast and Tuvia Frankel who is always a good sport.

Links and Resources:


Twitter: @zbaalbaki

Escuela Verde

Qualia: The School for Deeper Learning 

Teacher Powered | Ambassador

Wisconsin Resource Center for Charter Schools | Charter School Consultant 

Wisconsin Association for Environmental Education | JEDI Committee